Electric Indoor Flying SIG

Bulletin no. 1 for the 2012 Indoor Electric Challenge

Agenda for Annual General Meeting

SAMAA News December issue

The News is here.

Third Annual Indoor Electric Challenge 21 Jan 2012 -- Entry Form

The entry form is here.

SAMAA Air Show 6 November 2011

All the photos, taken by Dave Harris,  here.

2011 Fun Fly Masters at WMFC 1st and 2nd October

Story by Dave Harris with pictures by Wouter van Wyk & Mark Hoare


Christopher Harris who flies for Barnstormers Club in Kempton Park became National Fun Fly Champion for the seventh time by winning this, the 21st Fun Fly Masters held in Welkom. He also scored his second hat trick and won seven out of ten events, flown during the weekend.

A very windy weekend greeted the top eighteen pilots from all over South Africa who made the annual pilgrimage to the Free State to do battle in this the most exciting form of aeromodelling.

Welkom Model Aircraft Club staged another truly brilliant competition and are to be sincerely complimented on the professional and enthusiastic approach with which they always apply to running the Masters. The CD, judges and all W.M.A.C members take Fun Fly very seriously and this was the eighteenth time they have organised this prestigious event, and as such are true “masters” themselves. This year W.M.A.C ensured that even the evenings were full of fun by staging a professional dance show.

Full report here.
Pictures, (lots of them), here.

3rd ANNUAL SOUTH AFRICAN ELECTRIC INDOOR CHALLENGE

         3^rd ANNUAL SOUTH AFRICAN ELECTRIC INDOOR CHALLENGE

More details here.

2011 Aerobatic Masters

Full details here.

Personalised Number Plate

My daughter spotted this the other day. Wonder whose it is.

SAMAA News September / October 2011

The latest issue is here.

2011 F3B World Championship – SA achieves Gold!

Lionel Brink sent me this report, by Herman Weber I think, on the F3B World Champs in China...

During 2010 an “almost new” team was selected to represent South Africa at the 2011 F3B World Championships to be hosted in China.  “Old hand” Craig Goodrum and arguably the best RC Soaring pilot SA has ever produced was on hand to mentor, guide, teach, train, cajole & enforce discipline amongst the newbies: Rudi King & Nigel Wilkinson, with Jason Weber taking up the only position of “Junior” after a stunning performance at the 2010 (F3B) Nats and the FAI decision to encourage youth participation in all sanctioned disciplines that do not already have junior participation...

Full report here
Photos here -- without captions I'm afraid apart from the file names

UAV Demonstrations and the Intervarsity Flight Challenge at Swartkop AFB

Here are some of the entrants in the Intervarsity Low Speed Flight Challenge
(click on the images for a larger picture).

The infamous flying (or was it non-flying) Lawn Mower.

El Jefe himself -- John  Monk.

How about this for a launching system

Here's a short clip of some UAV flights, although in this case they were under local radio control.

Airshow date changed

The SAMAA Air Show has had to be moved from 23 October to Sunday 6^th November -- the RWC Final match is on the same day!

Model aircraft found at Fourways

Fly-away model aircraft found in Fourways. Owner to identify model when telephoning Bob Skinner, 011-973-3679, or 083-283-1681

MHSA Masters Entry Form

The entry form is here.

UAV demonstrstions, Inter-varsity Flight Challenge, Large Model Display Flight

Control Line team racing combat and aerobatics

Due to unforeseen circumstances it is necessary to change the Durban Control Line event scheduled for 24 and 25 September to the weekend of 8 and 9 October.
Aerobatics and combat will take place at Ashley Sports Club on Saturday and racing at Corobrik on Sunday.  These are the same sites as those used last year.

SAMAA AGM 2011

Low Speed Flight Competition

Winners - FAI World Championship for Model Helicopters

Sport: Aeromodelling - F3C - Helicopters
Title: FAI World Championship for Model Helicopters
Type : World
Date:  18.08 - 28.08.2011
Location: Cascina Bianca, Calcinatello - Italy

Final Results :

F3C - Overall
1st : Hiroki Ito          JPN
2nd : Hashimoto Manabu    JPN
3rd : Nonogaky Yasuichi   JPN

F3C - Junior
1st : Choi Won Ho        KOR
2nd : Sardelli Lorenzo   ITA
3rd : Heikkil'a Juho     FIN


F3C - Team
1st: Japan
2nd: Italy
3rd: USA

The full results can be found at the following address :
http://www.wchf3c2011.it/Article46.html

FAI congratulates the Winners and thanks the Organisers of the
Championship.

2011 F3A W/C`s SA Team – Team Managers Report

The team of Andre` Stockwell, Pierre Marais and Marc Wolffe was selected following due
process and confirmed towards the end of October 2010.

This was the most experienced team in recent years with the members having each
competed in at least two previous world championships.

The revised selection process increased the preparation time available, which benefitted the
team as some early setbacks required new models to be acquired and prepared, as well as
increasing the available training times.

In addition to the training program we were able to have multiple International Champion,
Wolfgang Matt, visit, do some training of the team and compete in our 2011 Nationals. The
team members were able to match his performance and we were confident of a good
placing at the W/C`s. ...

The full report is here.

SAMAA News July / August 2011

The latest issue is here.

World Jet Masters

Dear All,

It is now 7h50 Sunday morning in Dayton, Ohio. Last night was the closing ceremony and banquet at the USAF Museum.

The results were announced and Dylan Roberts achieved a 4th place overhaul in the 20kg class which I think is a phenomenal achievement. He competed against the 42 top jet pilots in the world after he and his plane was battered by the storm and also dealing with a horrible cold. Well done Dylan we are really proud of you!

With a semi-scale plane Mark managed a 28th place, his flight scores were brilliant but was obviously let down by not scoring a good static score.

Everybody will start traveling back today and tomorrow, so we see you back in South Africa.

Kind Regards,

Marthinus JF Potgieter

Congratulations to Dylan for a job well done under difficult conditions.

Regards

Percy

Gauteng Aerobatics Association -- League 3 at JOMAC 31 July 2011

Full report here.
Original photos here.

KZN Pattern Association, League round -- 24 July 2011

 Head shaking and a few interesting comments.. More here.

Inter-varsity Low Speed Challenge -- updated rules

The latest rules are here.

World Jet Masters 2011, Green County, Dayton, Ohio.

Dear Members, Friends and Family,

There's some good news from Green County, Dayton, Ohio.

With reasonably limited resources, Dylan has managed to repair his DH115 Vampire to a state of air worthiness. The rudders and vertical fins were quite badly damaged but, by spending the entire Monday on it, he managed to get it back together. On Tuesday he test flew the aircraft with great success - so Dylan is back in the competition. At the time of writing, he is in the queue to enter the static part of the competition.

As Mark's aircraft is completely broken and unrepairable, our friends from Team America offered Mark a Skymaster F16 painted in the red,white and blue centenary colours to fly in the competition. This aircraft does have limited documentation, having been flown at Top Gun this year. Mark has managed to put a couple of test flights on the aircraft today.
This is obviously not ideal, considering two years familiarity with the Vampire. We are very grateful to Tommy Yeates the (Team USA Manager) who made this offer on behalf of Scott Harris, whose back-up aircraft it was.

As for Francois, his aircraft also being beyond repair, has taken himself and Sarah, with their supporters away for a break.

Official flying starts tomorrow, Thursday afternoon, but we do not expect any results until completion of round one.

Dylan has promised to put some pics on the SAMJA web page.

Thank you for all the well-wishes and interest, we really appreciate it.

http://www.sajets.co.za/


Kind Regards,




Marthinus JF Potgieter

Klerksdorp Fly In 30 / 31 July 2011

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Update on the World Jet Masters from Percy Attfield

Unfortunately Team South Africa's World Jet Master's hopes were dashed yesterday, Sunday 24 July,  at approximately 14h00 local time when an incoming rainstorm combined with 80 mph winds struck. The model hangar, an enormous circus–type marquee tent, turned into a large parachutee. The canvas sides and poles flattened our team as well as our tables / airplanes before the tent lifted off and ended up half a mile away! I am not sure of the definition of the storm, hurricane, tornado or tropical storm but have never experienced anything like that.

Most of the team got away some bruises and cuts but Francois, and his girl friend Sarah, was taken to hospital by ambulance with some rather serious injuries. Later last night they were discharged but are rather sore and uncomfortable. Once the tent was gone obviously thousands of liters of water just poured over all the aircraft, equipment and us. Steel trestle tables were lifted by the winds and deposited in the parking lot. Transport boxes and belongings were scattered over the entire field.

In hindsight we can just be very glad that everybody is alive. We were the first team to unpack our aircraft and start practicing, if the tent had been full there would have been major mayhem. Mark Savage's Vampire is completely destroyed and Francois' Hawk also suffered serious damage. Dylan's Vampire suffered less damage but is also unserviceable. Later today we will meet with the organizers and decide what we will do next.

See the video take after the storm.(click on the clip for a larger version).

Problems at the Jet Masters in the USA -- Percy Attfield

I had a call from Marthinus Potgieter, the Jet Masters Team Manager, at 10:30 Sunday night telling me that they have been hit by a tornado. Francois Diedericksen and his girlfriend has been taken to hospital. The other members of the team have injuries but have not gone to hospital.

I understand from him that the planes and equipment are mostly destroyed.

All of them were in a large tent which was blown away, the tent poles broken and heavy steel tables blown 300 or 400 metres and then dumped again.

I have no more information at present, if more information becomes available I will keep you informed.

I have spoken to Bob Skinner who is at Muncie in the USA, he will call Marthinus.

Aeronautical Society of South Africa 2011 Aerospace Challenge A Low Speed Flight Competition

The goal of the competition is to conceptualise, design, construct and fly a radio controlled
model aircraft capable of taking off in as short a  distance as possible and then fly as
slowly as possible over a short course while carrying a pre-specified payload.

This challenge is aimed at two different groups of participants and is therefore divided into
two parts. The Inter-University Challenge will include the requirement to present and be
judged on the academic portion of the aircraft design. The Open Challenge will include
only the take off and flight portion of the competition and entries are accepted from any
aero-modellers.

This is intended to be a fun competition but with the intention to encourage interest in both
aviation and aeronautics amongst but not limited to learners and students.



Read more here.

GAA League 2 at PRF 26 June 2011

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Pattern News June 2011

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Postponement of Winter Indoor Electric Competition

WINTER INDOOR ELECTRIC COMPETITION

POSTPONEMENT OF EVENT

PLEASE BE ADVISED THAT THE ABOVE COMPETITION THAT WAS TO BE HELD ON SATURDAY 18^TH JUNE 2011 IS BEING POSTPONED TO A LATER DATE.

DETAILS OF THE NEW DATE, TIMES, VENUE ETC WILL BE POSTED ON THE SAMAA BLOG AND THE INDOOR ELECTRIC SIG WEBPAGE

FOR ANY FURTHER DETAILS CONTACT DAVE OR JUDY HARRIS

011 849 6267 / 072 729 1850/    trogon@mweb.co.za

SAMAA News May / June 2011

This issue is now on the web site

Lynton Milner's report on the 2011 Aerobatic Nationals

Here's the full report (pdf)

Invitation to host the National Aerobatic Masters -- 15 / 16 October 2011

Aerial Concepts Jet Day at RMAC -- 15 May 2011

Winter Indoor Electric Competition

All SAMAA pilots and members of the public are invited to compete and spectate at this exciting form of

aeromodelling in South Africa

Date: Saturday 18^th June 2011

Venue: Hall “F”, Pretoria Showgrounds, Souter St, Pretoria

Time: 08:30 – 17:00

FREE Entry for spectators Refreshments available

Entries:-

• 2 classes – Masters and Sportsman
• First 20 entries will be accepted
• Trophies and prizes
• F3P, Freestyle to Music, Obstacle Course

Planes: any indoor electric powered plane may be used. Max weight 300g. A pilot may use 3 different planes during the competition

Further details and Entry Forms available from Judy Harris

011 849 6267 / 072 729 1850/ trogon@mweb.co.za

CD: Dave Harris 079 707 9359

Closing date for entries: Tuesday 31^st May 2011

3D Helicopter Fun Day 15 May at PRF

F3A Bid proposal to CIAM - 28 th World Championship 2013

Congratulations!     Welldone!

South Africa was awarded... at the CIAM meeting in Lausanne
Switzerland the 28th FAI World Championship in August 2013

I know we can stand together as SAMAA members to help the SAMAA, MAASA and
the Aeroclub of South Africa to make a success.

Welldone!

Marietjie Skinner

Hungarian bid for the 2013 Control Line World Champs -- Percy Attfield

The bid is here, (pdf)

TRMC Fly In --Gert Nieuwoudt

FLY  IN

21 May 2011

The TRMC club in Trichardt (Secunda) will be hosting again a social Fly In and invite all pilots with SAMAA membership and friends of the club to join us for the day.

Entries are free.

Pilots briefing will be 9H30

We will have boeries for breakfast on the house to all pilots taking part in the static or flying display. Braai packs and cooldrinks will be available during the day.

Prizes will be awarded for best model, best display, pilots choice and fastest model during speed competition.

The N17 from Johannesburg is open and running past our field. Let me know if you need directions. We have a tarred runway and facilities.

Contact Dirk at 082 494 0585

or

Gert at 082 461 0027 for details.

Results for Western Province Aerobatic Champs -- Stuart Nix

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WINTER INDOOR ELECTRIC COMPETITION ENTRY FORM

Name of pilot……………………………………………………            SAMAA Number………………………………….

Address……………………………………………………………………Tel #’s……………………………………..

E-Mail address…………………………………………………. Fax #……………………………………………….

Class entered: Masters ………………………….. Sportsman………………………………(Please tick)

NOTE: Pilots may not enter Sportsman Class if any of the following applies- top 3 finish in Masters Class at Fun Fly Masters; if you are in any class other than Sportsman in aerobatics or in any class other than Entry level in Large Scale Aerobatics. Please, if you think your ability justifies your entry in Masters please enter accordingly. The organisers reserve the right to move you to Masters to ensure a fair competition.

Entry fee…..R150.

           

Entries by hand, post or e-mail to Judy Harris, 5, Eugene Marais Street, Farrarmere, Benoni 1501, Tel: 011 849 6267/ 072 729 1850. E-mail: trogon@mweb.co.za Payment by cash, cheque or bank deposit.

Contact Judy for banking details

Details of plane/planes……………………………………………………………………………………………………

Radio………………………………Motor……………………………….Speed Control……………………………….

Batteries……………………………………………..Other………………………………………………………………

Top 5 results in aeromodelling competitions in SA……………………………………………………………………...

……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Top 3 results in aeromodelling competitions overseas…………………………………………………………………..

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

Main type of planes flown(eg pattern/pylon/scale etc)…………………………………………………………………..

………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………

Age………………………..Occupation……………………………………………………………………………………

Aeromodelling goal for the future………………………………………………………………………………………...

Other interests (eg motor racing/cycling/photography etc)……………………………………………………………..

……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

Favourite tv programme…………………………………………………………………………………………………..

Sportsperson who motivates you the most……………………………………………………………………………….

Name 2 people who you would most like to take to supper……………………………………………………………..

I agree to abide by the Rules of the competition run under the auspices of SAMAA and will act in a sportsman like manner throughout the course of the event.

Signed………………

Winter Indoor Electric Competition

        

               

All SAMAA pilots and members of the public are invited to compete and spectate at this exciting form of aeromodelling in South Africa

Date: Saturday 18^th June 2011

Venue: Hall “F”, Pretoria Showgrounds, Souter St, Pretoria

                      Time: 08:30 – 17:00

FREE Entry for spectators             Refreshments available

Entries:-

·       2 classes – Masters and Sportsman

·       First 20 entries will be accepted

·       Trophies and prizes

·       F3P, Freestyle to Music, Obstacle Course

Planes: any indoor electric powered plane may be used. Max weight 300g. A pilot may use 3 different planes during the competition

Further details and Entry Forms available from Judy Harris

011 849 6267 / 072 729 1850/ trogon@mweb.co.za

CD: Dave Harris 079 707 9359

                          Closing date for entries: 30^th April 2011

Entries for the Nats close on FRIDAY April 8th

This is your last chance to enter for the 2011 MAASA Aerobatic Nationals.

Dont miss out on a great event!

Get your entry form from the SAMAA Blog at 

http://samodelair.blogspot.com/2011/02/2011-aerobatic-nationals-at-aviation.html

Entries go to :-

Des Cooper

descooperdbn@gmail.com

(031) 4645308 home and fax

(073) 1522323

Bank account details are on the entry form

Regards

Neil Allen

073 231 4141

Invitation with the details of a fund raising event with Wolfgang Matt (multiple F3A world champion and TOC finalist).

March 2011 issue of SAMAA News

The march issue is here (5,5 M pdf)

Henley Air Show 7 May 2011

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Gariep 2011 -- entry form

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Indoor Catapult Glider Competition

Indoor Catapult Launched Glider Competition John Monk 

This event is the 2 nd indoor challenge  hosted by the Society, and this time it  was held at the Swartkops Airforce Base  in Hangar 14 on 22 nd October 2010. 

It was decided that the format for this  event would be a challenge involving  endurance only and competitors were  allowed to use bungee catapults to  launch their gliders. This meant that the  gliders all had to be able to withstand  the launch forces and the initial high  speed aerodynamics before getting to  “Top of Climb” and settling into a slow  spiral flight down to the ground.  Obviously those designs that had the  best balance in both these flight regimes ruled the day. Then of course having to avoid  the roof trusses and the side walls as well. Needle ss to say, everybody had to do plenty  of practicing to set their trims and CG position.  The Glider Competitors . Read more here,(pdf).

This is an extract from the Jan 2011 issue of the AeSSA News letter and is published with the permission of the AeSSA,

2011 Inter Varsity Flight Competition

Inter-Varsity Flight Competition 

Barbara Barbeiri 

On the 19th of November 2010, the University of Pretoria and the University  of Witwatersrand competed in the first  annual inter-varsity flight competition.  The competition took place in the  Meerkat Field opposite Aerosud.  

Aeronautical Engineering students from both Universities built their own model  aircraft and competed in four events,  each with its own challenges.  Read more here (pdf)

This is an extract from the Jan 2011 AeSSA news letter and is published with the permission of the AeSSA

Basic performance calculator for gliders -- Michael van Jaarsveld

I am Michael van Jaarsveld, an avid model aircraft designer of gliders. I have created an XL spreadsheet that calculates the basic performance for gliders. I used the book Model Aircraft Aerodynamics Fourth edition by Martin Simons (published by Nexus special interests) as reference. It also includes some wing profile wind tunnel test results.

Download the spreadsheet here.

More on using the spreadsheets  here.

Easy answer spreadsheet here.

Thermal Glider spreadsheet here.

 If you need more info Michael's email address is ... Ed

MAASA 2011 Nationals at Emoyeni Aviation Park, KwaZulu-Natal -- Colin Addis

Entry form and comp details (word DOC)
Local accommodation
Map for main flying field
Map for alternate practice field 1
map for alternate practice field 2.

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Entry form for 2011 Free State Aerobatic Champs at Bloem -- Francois van Pletzen

The entry form is here.

2011 Scale Nats and Boland Open Comp 22 to 24 April 2011 at Boland Model Aircraft Club, Paarl -- Johan Ehlers

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ENTRY FORMS

If you need an entry form please apply to info@pjgroup.co.za, call Peter Joffe, SAMAA News Editor on:

011 795 3493 or SMS 082 555 9179 and we will email, fax or post a form to you right away.

2011 Helicopter Nats 13 Feb 2011-- Johan Sieling

Please note that the 2011 Helicopter Nats will be held at Groengoud and not RAM.

2011 Helicopter Nats -- Johan Sieling

Please note that the 2011 Helicopter Nats will be held at Groengoud and not RAM.

Robertson Fly In 21 - 22 May 2011

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Jan 2011 issue of SAMAA News

The Jan 2011 issue is here.
This is a zip file in low resolution with no advertising.

2011 MHSA Nats entry form

The entry form is here.

Experimental new layout for SAMAA home page

I've put a new layout here
Any comments?

Central Fly In -- Bloemfontein

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Entry form here.

Visit by Wolfgang Matt to South Africa. Double World Champion to compete in KZN Aerobatic Nationals -- Neil Allen

We are delighted to confirm that Wolfgang Matt will be entering our S A Aerobatic Nationals at Emoyeni microlight park, between Pietermaritzburg and Durban, KZN on April 29, 30, and May 1st 2011. It is an easy date to remember, as the last day of the Nats is "Mayday".

He will be coming earlier to coach our SA Aerobatic team before they go to the World Championships in Muncie, USA in July 2011. He will be bringing his latest design, the Peridot as in the photograph. It is powered by a Hacker electric motor. He is arranging for one of our SA Team members to acquire it from him to fly in the World Championships. His design series are named after precious stones, and his Saphir, Beryl, and the Amethyst biplane are well known, and flown in South Africa. His first famous design, the Atlas was very popular, and I myself enjoyed flying one for many years.

He comes from Lichtenstein,  a small country on the eastern border of Switzerland. It has a population of only 35,000 people, and according to the "CIA World FactBook" is the richest country in the world per head of population. This is because of their well known, very secretive, and very profitable banks. Wolfgang worked in real estate, then for his son Roland in banking, and is now retired.

Wolfgang has won the World Aerobatics Championships twice, and placed in the first three 12 times, since 1971. He has flown in South Africa before, at the World Championships held in Johannesburg in 1979, which he won. He is obviously an excellent coach, with an amazing record. The Lichtenstein team of Wolfgang, Roland, and one other flyer have always beaten South Africa, Britain, Australia, and many other major countries with vastly larger populations. He has also competed in the invitational Tournament of Champions in Las Vegas on many occasions, with his large scale aerobatic designs.

His partner is the widow of Bruno Giezendanner, who was the Swiss R/C aerobatics champion. She will be joining Wolfgang during our event, and they will then do some touring of South Africa.


The photo shows Wolfgang on the right, with his son Roland on the left. The Peridot is available from Oxai, who have a local agent, Burt Botha.

Second Annual SA Electric Indoor Challenge -- Final Instructions and Program

Final instructions here.
Program here.

North West Aerobatic Champs entry form -- Quintin Schroll

The entry form is here.

An open letter to the SAMAA Committee -- Danie Esterhuysen

Dear Committee Members,

I hereby wish to thank you all for the wonderful gift I received this XMAS (2010).

Let me explain:

A while back, I had an argument with SAMAA about some adverts I placed in various SAMAA Newsletters. The end result of this argument was that I decided not to advertise in the newsletter again. On receiving repeated e-mails to place new ads on time, I relented and decided to start advertising in the Newsletter again.

This year, with the regular e-mail prompting ad placements for the December issue, there was a notice to the following effect:

“The SAMAA Committee decided that for the 2010 edition, requests for ads on the front page would be accepted on a TENDER basis only”

At this point it is necessary for the membership to understand where this comes from as they do not know what the original argument was about.

I took SAMAA to task on the placement of my first “SANTA” advert on the front page a few years back. I felt at the time that in the absence of any guidelines for “FRONT PAGE” adverts, that I did not receive what I paid for.

1)      I ordered a Half page in Colour but the advert on the front page was slightly more than a Quarter page.

2)      I was originally charged nearly double for the ad but after I pointed out that I was only prepared to pay the advertised price in the SAMAA magazine, did SAMAA relent and we came to an agreed price which I paid.

In the following two December issues, I requested the front page again and continued with my “SANTA” delivering ASP Engines adverts. In both instances I at least got the full Half page adverts I requested but in both instances SAMAA wanted to charge me more than the advertised rate for a Half page in Colour, because they believed that an advert on the front page should cost more.

I insisted on paying the advertised price and clearly indicated to SAMAA that should they wish to charge more for a front page ad, they must decide on a suitable rate and publicise it together with the other in the newsletter.

This year, in their wisdom, they still did not publicise a special rate for the front page but rather decided to put the front page out to tender. I am sure that they were of the opinion that they were going to get some really fat offers for the front page.

One evening, I discussed this with one of my friends and asked him what he thought would be a reasonable offer to which he replied R6000. I laughed at him and said that I would never pay such an amount. He then stuck to his guns and said that dealers would possible even tender more to get the front page spot. Our friendly “argument” ended in a bet and the amount we settled on was his R6000 guess.

As we all know by now, there were no takers and our December 2010 Newsletter greeted us with the 2010 Glider Nationals.

In the absence of a publicised price for the front page, and their “Tender” process, SAMAA lost my regular December “Half page” advert and the revenue that could have been earned. I, on the other hand, won a nice R6000 bet which paid for the inside of the front page (WHOLE PAGE) and I got some change.

THANKS AGAIN SAMAA

Danie Esterhuysen